The New Code of IT: AI, Apps & Business Tech Without Limits
How is no-code transforming software development in the age of AI?
In this episode of the Las Vegas IT Podcast, Dan from Dapper No Code shares how the no-code movement is revolutionizing software development and accelerating innovation through the power of artificial intelligence.
What to Expect in This Episode:
đź’ˇ No-Code Evolution: How the rise of no-code platforms is changing how apps are built and who can build them.
🤖 AI + Speed: The powerful combination of AI and no-code for rapid prototyping and development.
👥 Client-Centered Innovation: Why customer service still matters in tech—and how Dapper No Code supports a wide range of clients with flexible solutions.
🛠️ From Idea to Execution: Dan’s advice on validating your tech ideas fast and the importance of feedback loops.
🎯 Breaking Into Tech: Actionable guidance for newcomers to the industry and how to stand out in a competitive space.
Dan brings a fresh, accessible perspective to the future of software—offering a roadmap for creators, innovators, and anyone curious about building without writing a single line of code.
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Transcript
that is the democratization of software development was really the no code revolution
here, know, 10, 15 years ago.
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:And now with AI coming into it, it's even more democratized because you can just go on
chat, HPT or whatever and kind of put together, you know, anything you can possibly
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:imagine.
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:Welcome to the Las Vegas IT Podcast.
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:My name is Shatoya and today I have the pleasure of speaking to Dan who's with Dapper No
Code and I'm super excited to get to know him a little bit better.
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:Dan, how are you doing today?
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:I'm very well, thank you so much for having me on the show.
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:Looking forward to it.
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:Yes, and I'm getting super excited to get to know you a little bit better.
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:Dan, can you tell us a little bit about yourself?
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:Sure.
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:So I am located out here in the Pittsburgh, PA region, a little bit north of Pittsburgh.
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:So I'm an East Coast guy, which is a very up and coming tech hub for those of you.
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:was kind of not really aware of that.
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:So I moved here past a couple of years.
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:So it's been very, it's a very big blooming area for tech, just, just as a side note.
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:But yeah, I live here.
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:I've lived here for a couple of years.
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:I'm from Western Pennsylvania originally here living with my wife.
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:We've been married almost seven years or anniversaries coming up here soon.
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:together for like 12, so it's been a very long time.
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:We don't have any kids yet, we just have three dogs, so that keeps us busy.
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:But yeah, so that's pretty much me, I run my own business here with that, no code.
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:I like to, we do a lot of outdoor things, we're getting into golf this year, my wife and
I, for the first time.
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:I've been a golfer, but she's getting into it now, so that's been fun.
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:We like to do all, walking dogs, outdoor stuff, all kinds of different things.
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:Got it.
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:No, that's awesome.
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:And so you say Pittsburgh is in becoming a tech state for the last couple years.
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:Is there a reason why?
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:Well, so I don't I might not be the authority to talk to on that.
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:But from what I've been able to gather, like Pittsburgh was the city of steel, right?
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:It was the steel city, the Steelers, all that stuff back in the day.
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:And there when all of that left, it's been there was a void.
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:There was just really there wasn't like a big industry that was really taking over and
kind of like, you know, becoming the thing.
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:So, you know, and I've joined a couple of, you know, recent or like a couple of networking
things inside of your programs and such inside of Pittsburgh.
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:And I was really blown away at just how many new technology companies.
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:believe one of the biggest Pittsburgh success stories is Duolingo.
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:They have their offices still here in Pittsburgh.
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:And that's kind of the transition is a transition from like that that steel city
manufacturing type of city now into a
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:a technology space, which is really, really exciting.
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:Yeah, I know that's especially if you're in technology.
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:So I'm sure that's exciting for you as well.
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:Could you just tell us a little bit about Dapper, No Code and exactly what that is?
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:Yeah, so Dapr NoCode is the company that I started and run that is basically a no code app
and software development company.
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:So we build pretty much boutique or custom software applications, both, you know, SAS
tools, external facing tools, and internal company tools using what's called a no code
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:methodology, which is really when you say no code, it's basically no front facing code.
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:you there's a lot of
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:know, drag and drop type of modules, really no hard coding or anything involved at the
user input, which is really, really awesome because we are able to deliver a lot just as
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:complex applications most times, but for a faster and cheaper fee usually.
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:So it's really, really amazing.
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:And then it kind of gives people the ability to manage and scale their own applications
instead of being beholden to a developer and all that kind of stuff.
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:So, so we work with a lot of different companies.
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:started off with very small, even one, two person companies and have moved up to medium
sized businesses.
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:We still don't work with a lot of large scale businesses, but that small to medium sized
business is pretty much the perfect type of gig for us and really kind of industry wide.
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:We've worked with construction companies and real estate and uh even a couple of financial
advisors, FinTech type of things, all kinds of different stuff.
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:Got it, now that is so cool.
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:And so when you say no code, are you guys building the applications for your customers or
is it more like a DIY kind of thing?
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:We actually have both.
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:Most of what we do, obviously our bread and butter is building for people.
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:But then we also offer, you know, not everyone is at that level.
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:There's also, you know, companies that, you know, kind of have the means and the resources
to be able to do that.
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:And then there's people that are, you know, kind of starting up or have an idea or
whatever that we offer, you know, courses and even small group type of things on how to
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:use these and how to DIY it as well.
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:Because it is, it's like that that is the democratization of software development is
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:was really the no code revolution here 10, 15 years ago.
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:And now with AI coming into it, it's even more democratized.
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:Because you can just go on chat.txt or whatever and kind of put together anything you can
possibly imagine.
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:So we kind of offer both of those.
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:Got it.
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:And so I feel like with applications that it can be a very broad.
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:So is there something particular that you guys do for like, as you said, construction?
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:Is there something particular that you guys do provide?
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:Yeah, so a lot of times what we'll end up doing is when we go in and we build or we
partner with a company to build their specific thing, a lot of times people come to us,
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:they just have a need for something custom.
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:And that's really kind of the ultimate need is, well, we're kind of sick of paying for
Salesforce and we kind of need a different CRM tool.
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:Or I'm tired of using something like a QuickBooks, so we'll build a custom invoicing tool
or one of those types of things.
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:But a lot of times what we'll do is we'll end up turning around and partnering with them
to say, okay, great, we have this tool that we've built for you, this SaaS application.
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:Now let's actually leverage it so you could actually white label this or remove that
branding and then go sell that as another revenue stream for yourself of saying, hey,
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:we're our number one case study of why this product works.
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:Now turn around and resell it.
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:So that's been a really, really fun way to do that.
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:And there's a lot of copy paste kind of things that can happen in there.
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:But for example, one that really hits me is we worked with a construction repair company
to basically, there's work orders, there's, that was kind of the problem they had was
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:like, there was all these tools out there, they were either clunky or outdated or just
didn't really, they weren't customizable.
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:And we built like basically a custom thing from scratch to say, okay, here's the work
order, here's the customer, here's all their different equipments.
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:We can add time entries, we can export that to different tools.
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:I mean, just systematize the whole thing, but simplify it as well.
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:So that's something that, know, I hope that's a good example.
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:No, it is.
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:And then I'm also, you know, just thinking about our work, technically in construction or
telecom or whatever you want to call us.
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:You know, we're using so many different softwares, QuickBooks, Monday, what else?
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:GoCo.
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:So what I'm guessing is that you're able to take these softwares and kind of put them into
one instead of us having to have multiple softwares.
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:I mean, place our time in.
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:Is that kind of what I'm catching?
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:Yeah, you can do that as well.
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:So one of the cool things is there's very easy API connections.
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:So you can just sync those things back and forth so they can talk to each other and all
that kind of stuff.
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:And that really expands your capability with all of it.
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:yeah, it's almost like taking the best parts of everything and kind of making a little
software baby.
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:No, and that's awesome.
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:I know so many small business owners as well.
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:And so when you, guess, who is your clientele that you're, I guess, personally looking to
connect with?
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:Yeah.
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:So actually recently we've been on a big push with service-based businesses, you know,
even like chiropractors, interior designers, even lawyers, small, you know, general
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:contractors, those types of people.
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:Really in that small like two to 10 employee space has been a really, really interesting
niche to get into, you know, both for the proposed like cost savings that this can
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:actually do for people.
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:But then
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:the you know they don't really have the resources to outsource an entire development team
and be like hey we need to spend a hundred grand hundred and fifty grand to build this
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:thing or even more where we could outsource that and get that you know just something
stood up that's you know even just simple and works and just helps us with our with our
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:processes or whatever it might be so that's been that's been a recent one over the past
like a year so that we've been really expanding in
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:Got it, and I know, we know businesses like that as well, so that's great to know.
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:And when it comes to, I guess, you you did mention your guys' current focus when it comes
to clientele.
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:Is there a focus when it comes to possibly tools that they're using?
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:good question.
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:No, not really.
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:I don't think so.
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:mean, there are...
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:I mean...
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:Well, I guess I wouldn't really expand on that.
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:would say no.
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:It just really depends on, I mean, I guess the one constriction would be any kind of,
know, SOC 2 compliant HIPAA related types of things if you're already using those things.
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:Sometimes those are not, they don't really play too nice with different things and there's
just lots of security things to think about.
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:That might be really the only restriction.
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:But even that's starting to change.
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:There's a lot more no code platforms that are coming out with that security baked in.
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:So that's, but that's very, very new.
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:That's like 20, 25 new.
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:So that's, that's kind of really the only, the only limit that we really have on it.
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:I know that's so awesome.
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:mean, very resourceful for the business owners or service providers, which is awesome.
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:And then you did mention AI.
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:What are some of the different things that you're seeing that AI is assisting with the
development process?
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:Yeah, one of the big things that we started using very early was the design process.
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:Just like the ability to, at least for us from a building perspective, was that was a
whole stage of, if you came to us and you just had this general thing like, need a new
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:system that does this.
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:Okay, well that's great.
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:That's very broad, it's not specific.
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:So what AI really allowed us to do was shortcut that of going out and
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:hiring a designer or hiring a UXI expert and just being able to, okay, let's give me a
couple paragraphs on what you're trying to build.
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:And we can prompt engineer that into spitting out designs.
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:And then boom, we have this, oh, now I can see what this visually could look like and what
it can do.
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:And so from our perspective as an agency, like that was really, really helpful and like
saved us so much money and so much time.
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:And then obviously like database setup and kind of thinking through what different
features might be useful or before you actually get real customer feedback.
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:But then from a user's perspective, from a client's perspective, idea generation and
thinking outside the box and kind of coming up with...
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:different angles for what the actual software or tool could be, especially when it's an
external facing one, you're trying to sell to people, not just like my team and I are
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:going to use it, you're going to actually sell this thing.
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:That has been really amazingly useful because it can think just so much faster and deeper
than we can, you know, like that.
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:So that's been a, that's been a huge game changer I've seen.
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:Understood.
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:And I use AI in similar ways as well.
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:So that's awesome to hear that.
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:And then when someone is, you know, they're like, oh, I want to do this, develop this,
this application.
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:What is the first step or thing that someone should do before they, I guess, reach out to
you guys?
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:I mean, the first step I've seen a lot of people do, especially inside of the no code
world, is they try to go about building it themselves.
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:This is how I got started, was I had an idea for one.
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:It was a running in health app and found the no code route and would find platforms out
there.
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:There was, I mean, this was seven or eight years ago, so there wasn't as many as there are
today.
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:But I found, I did research on some of them.
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:You could go to something like a chat, GBT or whatever.
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:to get ideas on what that might be.
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:But then usually what happens is you say, okay, now I think I know what platform, maybe
it's Bubble, maybe it's Flutterflow, maybe it's whatever.
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:You dive into that and if you're not a huge tech person or you have a business to run or
you're doing other things, you might get a little bit down the road and just realize like,
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:wow, there's a massive learning curve to this stuff.
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:Even though I'm not coding, it's like the first time you maybe built a website or you.
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:It's in your like, OK, I see like you could I could do this, but is it going to be worth
my time learning it and then maybe still not even having something that great?
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:So then that's how a lot of people end up contacting us through those through those
various means of like, hey, I started this thing, but like, I don't know what I'm doing
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:Can you just kind of help me through that?
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:So, yeah, but that's that's usually kind of the process of how all of that goes.
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:But I would say, if you have an idea, if you have something that's, I always tell this
when I go on podcasts, if you have an idea, and especially if it's gonna be an external
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:facing thing or something you wanna sell, don't keep it to yourself.
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:That's a counterintuitive thing to say, my God, somebody's gonna steal my idea and make
millions off of it.
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:But I think the faster you can get feedback, the faster you can put that idea out there
and get real feedback from someone who would be an actual user.
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:That's very, very useful, and even multiple people.
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:Don't spend,
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:too much time ruminating on something that might not even be a good idea in the first
place or might not have validation because you might spend a year or two, yeah, I've had
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:this idea for a while and then you finally get to it and then you find out nobody wanted
it when you could have just completely avoided that situation.
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:So get feedback, that's my first thing.
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:Don't keep it to yourself, get feedback from real people.
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:Understood and then currently is there any recent development within the tech industry
that you are, you know, super excited for?
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:Yeah, actually.
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:are, so there's a lot of platforms out there that have done kind of what I just talked
about, where there's prompt engineering to build the thing, to say, hey, I need this
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:Airbnb type of application where people can find properties and rentals and do whatever.
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:I'm just using that as example.
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:But that's kind of where it ended.
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:It was like you could get the thing designed and built and there's all these marketing
things.
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:Hey, build, it's...
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:Building an app is as easy as three steps or like two steps.
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:Input your prompt and click enter, right?
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:Which is good.
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:Like that was kind of like the first benchmark in this AI no code fusion of sorts.
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:What's being developed now is like, where do you go from there?
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:Because now, okay, great, I've prompt engineered this thing.
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:Now I have this super complex thing that I have no idea how it works.
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:and I have to still learn how to use the software.
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:have to still learn how does this list work?
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:How does this database go?
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:What's this workflow that happens on the back end?
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:How does this stupid thing work?
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:It's like flying a helicopter, right?
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:If you don't know how to fly a helicopter, that is.
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:But one of the new advances is now they're starting to build in the prompting and the AI
baked into that to say, now I've created that.
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:Now let's go further down the rabbit hole.
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:and say, okay, I want this landing page to maybe look a little bit different, or this data
set is not quite right, or I don't really like this color scheme.
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:Can you change the whole color scheme for me?
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:So that's really, really, and that's, I mean, honestly, that's, think, one of the last
benchmarks that's gonna be available in this space is to be able to literally just...
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:build an application through, I think that's the end goal.
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:was talking with a friend of mine the other day, like that's the end goal of us to just be
able to talk into our phone or type into our computer and have an entire platform and
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:entire SaaS built.
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:As far as I know, it's not really possible right now, but it's not far away.
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:So that's incredibly exciting.
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:It's incredibly scary to someone like me, but it's exciting, you know?
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:And then just, I guess, my thought process with that, because since you are in, you know,
building applications development, I guess for that if if something like that did happen,
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:Where I would go next?
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:I mean, we're kind already starting this transition, kind like I talked about earlier,
more of the DIY educational stuff.
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:There's always going to be a need for people to learn how to do this.
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:I mean, and it's even funny when you look at like the existing statistics of people who've
actually used AI, you would think it's like everywhere and everyone's used it.
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:And, you know, 70 % of businesses already have it incorporated.
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:I honestly tend to think that those are a bit inflated.
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:In my experience, I have a feeling, maybe you have a different experience.
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:just from what I've seen in my area anyway, in my circle, is that those numbers tend to be
a bit inflated.
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:There's a massive market for even just simple courses or simple group sessions, workshops
we're doing more of, just to teach, just to teach what there's still gonna be, even though
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:you can make something as easy as that, and there's still gonna be like, okay, well, how
do I get the most out of this, right?
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:I think that's probably where the, least inside of this, there would be a great pivot.
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:And then I just think, agree with you, even, you know, learning how to when it comes to
chat, GBT, learning how to put certain things so you get the answer that you want back.
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:So I think even something like that, like a lot of times people are just using it wrong.
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:So I think that's, you know, another thing as well.
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:And then I guess, you know, if someone's looking to start offering or start
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:in the tech industry, do you have any tips or anything like you would like to share with
us on different directions that they should possibly go on doing so?
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:So when you say the tech industry, mean like kind of like software development?
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:You know, it's a booming industry to be a part of.
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:I think a lot of people think that it's super flooded because you can go on Upwork and you
can find nine million people who do that kind of stuff.
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:But I think that there's still a ton of room for consultancy, right?
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:There's so much room.
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:That's when I started this, was like, okay, how am gonna differentiate?
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:And one of the things that I started early on was, okay, the technology is the technology
and that's just what it is.
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:I can't really control a lot of that.
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:But what's really the power behind it is the intention and the thought process and the
business acumen to make that thing
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:work and like why is this useful to the client?
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:What result is this helping someone get?
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:can build anything, but if it's not useful, what is the point of it?
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:So I think, yeah, for someone wanting to break into it, mean, think through like, how can
you be more than a developer?
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:How can you differentiate what skill set, what, you know,
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:differentiating factors do you bring to the table that make people want to work with you?
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:Because that's why people work with us is I get on calls with people and they like me and
they're like, I like working with Dan.
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:That's the key, right?
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:So that would be my advice.
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:I think that that would be a huge, huge like up for anyone.
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:Understood.
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:And then how does someone stand out?
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:You know, a lot of times we talk about competition.
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:But how like, you know, how does someone stand out?
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:You know, you said Dan, like people like working with Dan, like, what are some of the
things that you do for people to like, I guess, like you?
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:that's a good question.
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:don't think I've ever been asked that.
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:mean, I think, you know, when I go back and look through some of our testimonials at
times, think one of the big things that's always stood out for us has been the focus on
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:customer service.
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:Stuff's gonna break.
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:Like, that's the reality with technology is you can sell all the cool things.
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:You could be like, hey, this thing is gonna be the coolest thing ever, and it's inevitably
gonna break someday.
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:Like, it's just going to happen.
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:So I think, you know,
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:being upfront and then with that and being very honest and authentic with people, but then
also being like, hey, this is broken and I don't know why, but we'll fix it and we'll make
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:And then I also think, I think another thing that's always been really helpful has been
just the, thinking through the entire customer experience and the communication and the,
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:has been a big differentiator because it's just like, wow, this is exactly what we were
trying to go for.
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:And I don't know how they figured it out, we were able, excuse me, we were able to do
that.
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:So I don't really know if those are tangible things that I could tell someone, but that's
always been my focus is to make sure that customers are taken care of and whatever is
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:in a clear timeline of this is what the expectation is and this is what's going on.
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:And people are usually happy with that.
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:It's really that simple, it can be.
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:Our society with customer service, ah with automations, I sometimes feel like we're
starting to lose that.
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:So do feel like it's important that you continue doing that.
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:But how do you continue having your customer service?
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:Or is there an outline that you guys have in place with AI and automations so you can
continue providing great customer service?
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:You know, to be very frank with you, have tested that a little bit, just kind of found it
to be not as personable.
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:So we still actually just keep everyone in Slack.
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:We have individual Slack channels for clients and we just keep that communication line
open.
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:And it's it might not be the sexiest AI agent cool thing in the world, but it works.
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:You know, it just it just does.
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:So, I mean, I think that's been that's been a huge, huge success point for us is just not
really trying to make everything is automated and AI agent based as possible.
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:Like there's there's ways you can do that in Slack.
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:But like.
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:We just found like this works.
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:Why, if it's not broke, don't fix it, you know?
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:No, I agree.
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:And then just in case someone doesn't know what Slack is, can you just share with us on
what that is?
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:Yes, sorry.
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:So Slack is a very, very powerful, very awesome communication tool for teams.
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:So you can find it out.
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:Like, I don't even know.
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:It's slack.com or something like that.
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:But you can basically set up your team and there's individual threads.
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:So you can have like an announcement thread and a team thread and project management or
project A, project B, project C.
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:And then you can add multiple people into those threads.
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:So it's a really, really amazing tool.
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:No, I agree with you.
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:I've used it a few times.
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:I just wanted to ask just in case people do not know what that is.
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:know and I agree with you about the importance of continuing with customer service because
sometimes that is what's missing in an organization.
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:Can you share with us a project project that you've worked with on in the past that you
were very excited about or that you can share with us?
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:Yeah, I mean, of several, I always like to talk about my, one of my very best clients.
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:One of my very first ones, as a matter of fact, has just like been like the big shining
success story.
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:She started an app called feel for your life to breast cancer awareness and informational
app.
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:Um, so she was like kind of the, the, avatar we talk about of like the single entrepreneur
that just had an idea and wanted to launch it.
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her story.
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:Even recently, there was one that we built for a lady named Stacey, who just was this
incredible networker.
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:networks and circles of people she ran and she was just like, that was her gift of just
networking and connecting things.
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:And we built basically she wanted a directory to be able to keep all of that kind of
automate herself a little bit to say, Hey, like almost like a LinkedIn type of thing, but
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of thing.
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:So building that has just allowed her to scale so much faster because it took away all of
this manual stuff.
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:here's this thing, here's this link, send it to here, here's the profile, all that kind of
stuff.
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built.
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:I mean, those were two of just like the single avatar ones, but it's just like those are
really cool examples because it was just like an amazing way to just see something like,
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:No, that's the theme and there are two different areas, which is pretty cool.
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:You know, once business or networking and the other ones to do with health, I guess what's
the process look like to have an app like month wise or is it months, years?
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:Like, what are you looking at when it comes to developing that those applications?
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:Yeah, I mean, our normal turnaround time is we try to shoot for 90 days.
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:Sometimes it can be shorter, sometimes it can be longer depending on the complexity.
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:You got to think when you're doing something like that, especially if you're building it
as the tool like we did, it's almost like a little business.
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:So it's something you're not only just setting up because you have a need right now, but
an ongoing need.
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:So it's worth taking a little bit of time to put some thought and some processes into it
and link it to other things and such.
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:But that's usually our, you know, basically it depends on if you just have the idea and
the ether and you just have like, it'd be cool to do this.
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:Obviously that takes a little bit time because you might not have any idea what you want
it to look like or what features you have.
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:But then some people that, you know, come and they say, I know what I want.
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:That can go a lot faster, obviously, because we've had people just bring, hey, I have
Figma designs, just build this for us.
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:But when you're trying to ideate and design and kind of build all at the same time, that's
what takes a little bit longer.
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:But yeah, we try to do it inside of 90 days.
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:Yeah, I that's so cool because a lot of people think that it takes months or years to
develop an application that they're possibly not have an idea for.
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giving to us, but I mean, what does it could look like for price wise.
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:And again, that varies to one of the things that, you know, like I mentioned, this 90 day
timeframe, one thing we've been piloting is a new program that is basically a fixed fee
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:We're not going to do a whole, if you have a feature set of a thousand different things,
it might not be included, but we basically turn your idea into an MVP style app and, you
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7,500 bucks.
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:That's I mean when you look when you break it down by hours, it's like a steal, you know,
but that's why we try to get away from that model, you know, but we've done projects, you
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:you know, the program can, or the price range can be very, very different and very, very
wide at times.
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:We'd like to be flexible with everyone based on what you're trying to build and what
you're trying to do because, you know, everyone has different budget levels.
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:Got it and I totally get it like you know price range is going to change depending on what
someone needs and desires.
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:Is there anything else Dan that you'd to share with us?
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:Well, I'll just go back to my go-to on podcasts.
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:I say there is just what I said earlier.
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:There's no such thing as a million-dollar idea, just million-dollar execution.
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software or an app can be that tool, don't sit on that.
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through that.
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:And then if someone's looking to reach out to you, how do they do that?
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:Yeah, you can connect with me on LinkedIn, Dan Hafner, or you can go to our site
dappernocode.com.
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:I'll actually probably have a specific link for you to share as well, which is a bunch of
free resources and some different things people can get their hands on as well.
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:Dan, today was a pleasure.
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:Thank you so much for joining me.
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